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Post by steven on Jul 22, 2016 16:11:07 GMT -8
Well, I can't even begin to list the mistakes LE made on this case. The first problem is they took too long to figure out they had a serial offender. If they had figured it out sooner they could have been in the area of attack#6 which is where he had hit two other times and caught him. The fact the Detective assigned to attack #6 did not know there had been five other attacks and two right near his case. It's ridiculous there was no communication how could they not know? they could read the reports and see the similar traits when there are two attacks never mind five.
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Post by zack on Jul 25, 2016 18:21:45 GMT -8
LE made many many mistakes and it really is hard to list them. It seems like they did so many stupid things that go against what they knew was right. I do not understand how EAR would not have been talked to by a patrol unit while prowling. I mean even he was out doing his learning a neighborhood thing wearing normal clothes they would have had to have stopped him. I betting more then once he was stopped by a Patrol Deputy and let go because he was good at talking his way out and they thought no way this guy is him. That no way this guy is him attitude continued when he was in his normal life too because he was not turned in by anyone. That's just crazy he was two different people, had to be!
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Post by formercop on Aug 7, 2016 18:42:10 GMT -8
Even I have to admit LE: made some huge mistakes! big ones that allowed this animal to be on the loose this long. The first mistake was not listening to the Beat Cop on June 18,1976 when he said " it's probably a local kid from the area." It was a kid from the neighborhood this was proven by attack#3 when he walked away with no pants and the Patrol units in the area found no cars or people leaving the area. The beat cops know more then the Investigators do sometimes and the investigators have a hard time listening to a Patrol Officer since they are lower on the food chain but in this case Patrol had it right and told them there would be more.
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Post by steven on Aug 16, 2016 0:01:36 GMT -8
Boy I'll say there has been a few mistakes by LE: do not get me wrong I am pro-cop but geez some of things that happened or rather did not happen are beyond stupid. EAR had so many luck breaks from bad investigations to jurisdictions not sharing evidence and thinking they did not need any help catching him. It's like the zodiac they all kept things back from each other thinking they will be the hero and catch him, and that did not happen in either case. I also believe Sac County did not take rape as serious as they should have,. especially in the beginning and then the attack numbers just kept going up and up and they were so far behind him at that point he just moved to another jurisdiction and became a problem elsewhere: and I believe they wanted that to happen.
When a Deputy in Sac County first makes it to an Investigator position (Detective) generally the first assignment is Sex Assault/Elder Abuse because that's the first place an Investigator wants to transfer out of to a better assignment like Robbery or Homicide. The sex crime position is where the new guys go, that should tell you how little the Department's Administration cares. With that being said there are good Investigators that work Sex assaults, they chose to be there and are good at it but it still is the first place a new guy goes. I know some guys that work it and have have been good at catching the child rapist, that's a different breed of animal, god bless those guys who have to interview those guys and pretend to be their friend to get a confession, I sure could not do it. Those cops are the ones who catch those scumbags that are good at their job.
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Post by steven on Aug 16, 2016 0:02:41 GMT -8
Sorry I was all over the place on that post, I lost my thought trail on the kiddie rapers, death is too good for them.
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Post by zack on Aug 16, 2016 13:17:14 GMT -8
45 rape victims and 12 murders and zero suspect(s) arrested or convicted...something is wrong for sure!!! LE has to have some suspects they are looking at that they think are good for this. I do not understand the holding evidence back at this point; at 40 years it's time to share it all and get people to remember things. Something has to give; he's out there and just sitting and hoping there is no knock at the door.
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Post by zack on Aug 16, 2016 13:17:27 GMT -8
45 rape victims and 12 murders and zero suspect(s) arrested or convicted...something is wrong for sure!!! LE has to have some suspects they are looking at that they think are good for this. I do not understand the holding evidence back at this point; at 40 years it's time to share it all and get people to remember things. Something has to give; he's out there and just sitting and hoping there is no knock at the door.
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Post by steven on Aug 17, 2016 20:28:43 GMT -8
I still do not understand how at the very least Patrol should have figured out they had a serial rapist: every shift starts with a briefing about what happened the previous shifts. So at the very least whom ever was reading the reports being turned in by Officers could have figured it out, each report is reviewed by a Supervisor.
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Post by formercop on Aug 17, 2016 20:45:51 GMT -8
45 rape victims and 12 murders and zero suspect(s) arrested or convicted...something is wrong for sure!!! LE has to have some suspects they are looking at that they think are good for this. I do not understand the holding evidence back at this point; at 40 years it's time to share it all and get people to remember things. Something has to give; he's out there and just sitting and hoping there is no knock at the door. That first line in your post says it all, hard to defend LE with that statement. Something clearly went wrong in so many ways for this guy to still be free.
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Post by Pike-Admin on Aug 25, 2016 17:36:57 GMT -8
And still no word from LE on what is happening in the Investigation... just more silence
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Post by steven on Aug 28, 2016 19:31:48 GMT -8
There was so much prowling and suspicious activity in a given neighborhood prior an attack, prowlers seen , gates opened and left opened, noises heard late at night and prowlers even being seen: never resulting resulting in police being called. I am unable to understand seeing a masked dark clothing individual in my backyard and even some reported at their windows and doors and not calling Police or being able to go back to sleep after such an incident. Some of the fault does lay with the public not taking steps to protect themselves and not reporting things to police. But I will also say things that get reported to Police needed to be handled as if all reports are real and credible. I say that because LE would sometimes not take the calls serious enough and not rush to the prowler calls as they should. LE did make mistakes by not getting to an area and trying hard enough to locate a prowler, there were times when a Deputy was sent to prowler call, performed an area check then left the area, then an hour later more activity occurred in the same area and even an attack later that same night, so if the first call had been treated different EAR would have most likely fled the area if LE marked units were in the area.
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Post by Riley on Sept 8, 2016 20:39:49 GMT -8
The Metropolitan Police, better known as Scotland Yard, apologized Thursday for mishandling what became the most expensive investigation in its history. Grant at one point became a suspect but was considered cleared 10 years ago because of a mistake about his name, and another tip identifying him was apparently not followed up.
The above is from the Night Stalker in London, it shows how easy a person is eliminated by mistake and then someone turned him in again and they did not follow up on it.
It took 10 years to catch him! even though he was a suspect in the beginning of the investigation.
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Post by formercop on Sept 9, 2016 20:01:23 GMT -8
yeah that would be a huge mistake and it could occur in this case as well.
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Post by steven on Sept 30, 2016 22:20:00 GMT -8
Makes you think, who did LE suspect in the very beginning that somehow he was eliminated. They need to go back to the start and look at people they know from the Rancho neighborhood, he's there.
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Post by zack on Sept 30, 2016 22:21:34 GMT -8
I try to respect what LE said and says now but it's so hard since they F' up so much stuff.
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