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Post by nick on Oct 30, 2019 11:15:46 GMT -8
The known offenders behaviors of the past seemed to follow a progression or evolution into the rapist/murder we know of in the end. The Cordova Cat was more than likely JJD because of the progression or escalation of the crimes. The crime series started out as what I would term a soft burglary where the offender would enter the home when unoccupied and look through the victims possessions and if he took anything it would small enough it might go unnoticed. There was evidence of this after the Cat series escalated later thought time victims had thought something was off but had not called Sheriffs. Then as the soft approach grew less exciting for JJD (as the cat) he began to take certain items and these items were noticed by the victims.
The Sacramento Sheriff's Department even started a special team that one of their objectives became hunting the Cat, the specialized group was called the ADEPT Team. They were uniformed in marked units as well as detectives in unmarked units and there job was to stop burglaries and thefts. There is evidence that at least one member who recognized the Cat was evolving and would may become a rapist not being satisfied to be a sexually motivated burglar.
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Post by dougguard on Dec 7, 2019 4:32:17 GMT -8
100 % He was the Cordova Cat Burglar Nick. I don’t know how far back you can go? 1963-64 is a good place to start. Remember this! He was committing just regular burglaries at the same time as killing such as his crimes in Visalia. Think about the two plus years he spent at Sac State paralleled with the Cordova Cat series. Let’s say 71-72 as an open time frame. The two women I know who were not raped but a victim of a “hot prowler” on Ambassador Drive in 70-71. He was actually in her bedroom while her parents slept. Another victim lived on Danbury Way. She was 15 in 72 and her father chased the Burglar out of the house. Her father then accused her of having her boyfriend in the house only to later learn the 17-year old was out of town. The Cordova Cat Burglar of course disappeared when JJD started the night-time Police Academy at Sequoia College.
The issue with Sequoia College is if JJD was already on the payroll of Exeter PD or was hired after graduating? This was a night school Academy of four nights a week, 7 to 10 pm and all day Saturday. Still we do not know if he was committing crimes during that time or if that time was counted as on the payroll. JJD having a Criminal Justice Degree plus a Navy Veteran with intern experience was more than likely paid to go to the academy and employed at the same time.
In private. I will cite my Rancho Cordova, Folsom Sources. They are: *A former teacher at Cordova High. *The owner of a Cordova Security Company who provided security at Cordova Lanes Bowling and Cordova Drive In. *Tech Sergeant from Mather who was Karate Master and Cordova Meadows Resident who taught some victims. *Retired Sheriffs Captain(Chief of Detectives) who then was Private Detective and critic of that current investigation, *Retired Sacramento Police Captain (1977)
The above are strictly individuals not connected to law enforcement at that time or academia but just residents who lived or worked in RC during this time with special insights.
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Post by jenn on Dec 7, 2019 12:51:41 GMT -8
Interesting post, Doug. I know that jjd committed a string on burglaries in Rocklin in 1976 along with "other things" that I cannot mention at this time. He should be held responsible in the court of public opinion for all of those things!!!
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Post by murderinc on Dec 9, 2019 7:23:19 GMT -8
The known offenders behaviors of the past seemed to follow a progression or evolution into the rapist/murder we know of in the end. The offenders known behavior. Perhaps prowling through everyone's underwear drawers is just part of what JJD did for fun every night. Maybe someone should go through the newspapers from the 1960s and map out the burglaries, rapes and murders in the areas JJD is known to have been?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 7:38:23 GMT -8
Interesting post, Doug. I know that jjd committed a string on burglaries in Rocklin in 1976 along with "other things" that I cannot mention at this time. He should be held responsible in the court of public opinion for all of those things!!! It makes sense that Rocklin was on his radar, although some on the other board would mock this idea from time to time.
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Post by jenn on Dec 9, 2019 17:35:06 GMT -8
Rocklin is only 12 miles from Auburn just like Visalia is only 11 miles from Exeter. jjd was living in Auburn at the time he did the Rocklin burglaries. He probably figured since he had to flee Tulare County after he shot at Officer McGowan, that he could continue on with his burglary and peeping activities in Placer County. He sickens me!
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Post by steelbike on Dec 11, 2019 10:06:32 GMT -8
My house on Ambassador drive in Rancho Cordova was thoroughly ransacked a few days before Christmas 1978. The only things stolen were the silver dollars and 50 cent coins that were in my piggy bank and souvenirs from a vacation that my family had gone on during the summer of ‘76. In the middle of the living room carpet was a pile of some kind of food and an unopened bottle of beer which hadn’t come from our house. In my memory the pile of food looks like a pile of pistachios but it could have been crushed crackers of some kind — I didn’t know for sure what it was, only that it was food.
My dad was a Sacramento County Sheriff’s deputy. A SCSO came that night and another the next day or so. It’s disappointing that all of them were completely clueless about the scene. The speculation was that the burglar(s) had been “kids” and that while the snack food on the carpet and the beer puzzled them it probably indicated that the burglar(s) were going to drink beers and eat snacks while opening our Christmas presents.
How Sac. Sheriff’s didn’t wonder if this was an EAR incident at this late in his crime spree is difficult to imagine.
I wonder how many other such burglaries occurred during those years but weren’t attributed to him. A thousand? I’m finding it curious that it didn’t resemble an EAR crime so much as a Visalia Ransacker crime or even a Cordova Meadows burglar crime during the height of the EAR’s activity. I wonder if this burglary and the way it was done, had something to do with the fact that my father was a Sac County deputy.
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Post by jenn on Dec 11, 2019 18:16:52 GMT -8
Steelbike, JJD liked to do burglaries around Christmas. That's when he hit Rocklin, too. Also, just like in your situation, one of the items stolen in the string of Rocklin burglaries was a 1922 silver dollar that was given to one of the victims the year of her birth. I've never asked the victims about food items and the newspaper articles left out many details. I was able to fill in the blanks by interviewing the victims and/or their children and they all provided many details. Most had no idea about the connection to jjd but one guy knew before I even told him. Even the retired sergeant jumped at the bit to discuss that string of burglaries because as he told me, no one was ever caught. They did stake outs night after night and froze their butts off just like the cops in Visalia. Rocklin came up empty handed too, just like Visalia. "kids" their explanation for writing it off and not looking any further. My blood is boiling again!
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Dec 11, 2019 18:24:19 GMT -8
My house on Ambassador drive in Rancho Cordova was thoroughly ransacked a few days before Christmas 1978. The only things stolen were the silver dollars and 50 cent coins that were in my piggy bank and souvenirs from a vacation that my family had gone on during the summer of ‘76. In the middle of the living room carpet was a pile of some kind of food and an unopened bottle of beer which hadn’t come from our house. In my memory the pile of food looks like a pile of pistachios but it could have been crushed crackers of some kind — I didn’t know for sure what it was, only that it was food. My dad was a Sacramento County Sheriff’s deputy. A SCSO came that night and another the next day or so. It’s disappointing that all of them were completely clueless about the scene. The speculation was that the burglar(s) had been “kids” and that while the snack food on the carpet and the beer puzzled them it probably indicated that the burglar(s) were going to drink beers and eat snacks while opening our Christmas presents. How Sac. Sheriff’s didn’t wonder if this was an EAR incident at this late in his crime spree is difficult to imagine. I wonder how many other such burglaries occurred during those years but weren’t attributed to him. A thousand? I’m finding it curious that it didn’t resemble an EAR crime so much as a Visalia Ransacker crime or even a Cordova Meadows burglar crime during the height of the EAR’s activity. I wonder if this burglary and the way it was done, had something to do with the fact that my father was a Sac County deputy. Wow, what a story! That was about six months after the last Sacramento attack #31, but as I look at the library page of goldenstatekiller.com, there were Sac Bee articles about the Stockton/Modesto/Contra Costa attacks up until early Nov. of 1978 (and then continued after Dec. 1978, when your house was hit.) Seems like the institutional memory of SCSO was short (though it wasn't a rape - but it had some of the M.O. of EAR.) I wonder how much the deputies on patrol knew about the M.O. details of the EAR attacks. Did your SCSO deputy father ever suspect EAR as the culprit (even later)? When did you first think of it as a possible EAR attack?
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Post by steelbike on Dec 11, 2019 19:12:43 GMT -8
I don’t remember hearing anything about the EAR from any of the deputies regarding this — though it may have been brought up but I didn’t hear it or I don’t remember.
I first thought of it in connection to the EAR a month or two before JJD’s arrest when Michelle McNamara’s book came out. I read a review of IBGITD which included an excerpt of a description of an attack (#1 I think) and it freaked me out because sometime in’77 or ‘78, before my house was burglarized, I woke up with a man standing over my bed holding a huge knife. When I read that excerpt I suddenly, on my lunch break, decided after all of these years that that hadn’t been a dream but had really happened and I felt stunned for a couple of days.
I started googling about the EAR and ended up on 12-26-75. Hearing the police reports from the VR burglaries led me to connect it to the burglary of my house. I could have been wrong but it seems like it turned out to be a good guess now.
Within a month JJD was caught it turned out that was a cop near Visalia and probably involved in the VR series.
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Dec 12, 2019 16:11:11 GMT -8
100 % He was the Cordova Cat Burglar Nick. I don’t know how far back you can go? 1963-64 is a good place to start. Remember this! He was committing just regular burglaries at the same time as killing such as his crimes in Visalia. Think about the two plus years he spent at Sac State paralleled with the Cordova Cat series. Let’s say 71-72 as an open time frame. The two women I know who were not raped but a victim of a “hot prowler” on Ambassador Drive in 70-71. He was actually in her bedroom while her parents slept. Another victim lived on Danbury Way. She was 15 in 72 and her father chased the Burglar out of the house. Her father then accused her of having her boyfriend in the house only to later learn the 17-year old was out of town. The Cordova Cat Burglar of course disappeared when JJD started the night-time Police Academy at Sequoia College. The issue with Sequoia College is if JJD was already on the payroll of Exeter PD or was hired after graduating? This was a night school Academy of four nights a week, 7 to 10 pm and all day Saturday. Still we do not know if he was committing crimes during that time or if that time was counted as on the payroll. JJD having a Criminal Justice Degree plus a Navy Veteran with intern experience was more than likely paid to go to the academy and employed at the same time. In private. I will cite my Rancho Cordova, Folsom Sources. They are: *A former teacher at Cordova High. *The owner of a Cordova Security Company who provided security at Cordova Lanes Bowling and Cordova Drive In. *Tech Sergeant from Mather who was Karate Master and Cordova Meadows Resident who taught some victims. *Retired Sheriffs Captain(Chief of Detectives) who then was Private Detective and critic of that current investigation, *Retired Sacramento Police Captain (1977) The above are strictly individuals not connected to law enforcement at that time or academia but just residents who lived or worked in RC during this time with special insights. douggard, do you have a better idea of the dates of attendance for Deangelo's COS police academy attendance? Actually, that might be part of the question you're asking regarding his attendance and the Exeter PD employment. Are you asking if he did the academy classes all before he began his patrolman duties with Exeter PD? I'm not sure of the usefulness of the following I've written without knowing more attendance dates. And it's more related to the VR spree, rather than the Cordova Cat spree you've gathered info about. Anyway, from his 2018 arrest warrant, page 43 (see below for link): --- By 1974, DeAngelo attended a police academy for 400 hours at the Kings County Public Safety Academy. This academy was affiliated with the College of the Sequoias within Visalia, CA. ----- We don't know if that means he finished by the beginning of 1974 or he finished sometime during early/mid/or even late 1974. We also don't know if the academy classes mirrored the semester system COS was on (they're on semester system as of 2019, I'm assuming it was that way in 1973-74 too.) I'm going to do a little arithmetic to get an estimate of how long he was in the academy. This might give us a little help in understanding how long he was taking the classes (and we'd have an idea when he was working day shift, at least partially, since the classes were mostly at night.) It also might show us when it was impractical to drive up to Sacramento, though he could have cut classes - for those speculating on Sac area crimes he might have committed during his Exeter tenure. Based on what you wrote above, with 7-10 M-Th (most likely) schedule and all day Saturday (I'm gonna guesstimate it was six hours of classes with an hour lunch break, say 9AM to 4PM) That gives you 4 * 3 + 6 = 18 hours per week That would mean ~22 weeks of academy classes (18 *22 = 396 hours, close enough) Here's a question: did Deangelo tell his wife he was still attending academy classes when he had already finished, thus giving him an alibi for being out at night so much? Also note, most VR crimes were committed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Arrest warrant article URL from Sac Bee: www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article212377094.html
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Post by Wonky Jr. on Dec 12, 2019 16:31:32 GMT -8
100 % He was the Cordova Cat Burglar Nick. I don’t know how far back you can go? 1963-64 is a good place to start. Remember this! He was committing just regular burglaries at the same time as killing such as his crimes in Visalia. Think about the two plus years he spent at Sac State paralleled with the Cordova Cat series. Let’s say 71-72 as an open time frame. The two women I know who were not raped but a victim of a “hot prowler” on Ambassador Drive in 70-71. He was actually in her bedroom while her parents slept. Another victim lived on Danbury Way. She was 15 in 72 and her father chased the Burglar out of the house. Her father then accused her of having her boyfriend in the house only to later learn the 17-year old was out of town. The Cordova Cat Burglar of course disappeared when JJD started the night-time Police Academy at Sequoia College. The issue with Sequoia College is if JJD was already on the payroll of Exeter PD or was hired after graduating? This was a night school Academy of four nights a week, 7 to 10 pm and all day Saturday. Still we do not know if he was committing crimes during that time or if that time was counted as on the payroll. JJD having a Criminal Justice Degree plus a Navy Veteran with intern experience was more than likely paid to go to the academy and employed at the same time. In private. I will cite my Rancho Cordova, Folsom Sources. They are: *A former teacher at Cordova High. *The owner of a Cordova Security Company who provided security at Cordova Lanes Bowling and Cordova Drive In. *Tech Sergeant from Mather who was Karate Master and Cordova Meadows Resident who taught some victims. *Retired Sheriffs Captain(Chief of Detectives) who then was Private Detective and critic of that current investigation, *Retired Sacramento Police Captain (1977) The above are strictly individuals not connected to law enforcement at that time or academia but just residents who lived or worked in RC during this time with special insights. douggard, do you have a better idea of the dates of attendance for Deangelo's COS police academy attendance? Actually, that might be part of the question you're asking regarding his attendance and the Exeter PD employment. Are you asking if he did the academy classes all before he began his patrolman duties with Exeter PD? I'm not sure of the usefulness of the following I've written without knowing more attendance dates. And it's more related to the VR spree, rather than the Cordova Cat spree you've gathered info about. Anyway, from his 2018 arrest warrant, page 43 (see below for link): --- By 1974, DeAngelo attended a police academy for 400 hours at the Kings County Public Safety Academy. This academy was affiliated with the College of the Sequoias within Visalia, CA. ----- We don't know if that means he finished by the beginning of 1974 or he finished sometime during early/mid/or even late 1974. We also don't know if the academy classes mirrored the semester system COS was on (they're on semester system as of 2019, I'm assuming it was that way in 1973-74 too.) I'm going to do a little arithmetic to get an estimate of how long he was in the academy. This might give us a little help in understanding how long he was taking the classes (and we'd have an idea when he was working day shift, at least partially, since the classes were mostly at night.) It also might show us when it was impractical to drive up to Sacramento, though he could have cut classes - for those speculating on Sac area crimes he might have committed during his Exeter tenure. Based on what you wrote above, with 7-10 M-Th (most likely) schedule and all day Saturday (I'm gonna guesstimate it was six hours of classes with an hour lunch break, say 9AM to 4PM) That gives you 4 * 3 + 6 = 18 hours per week That would mean ~22 weeks of academy classes (18 *22 = 396 hours, close enough) Here's a question: did Deangelo tell his wife he was still attending academy classes when he had already finished, thus giving him an alibi for being out at night so much? Also note, most VR crimes were committed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Arrest warrant article URL from Sac Bee: www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article212377094.htmlHey Johnny, I always appreciate your posts. I think the reddit sub has a timeline pinned up top and if I remember correctly they had the dates you are looking for. I've got the flu so I'm to lazy to look myself.
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Dec 12, 2019 17:24:57 GMT -8
douggard, do you have a better idea of the dates of attendance for Deangelo's COS police academy attendance? Actually, that might be part of the question you're asking regarding his attendance and the Exeter PD employment. Are you asking if he did the academy classes all before he began his patrolman duties with Exeter PD? I'm not sure of the usefulness of the following I've written without knowing more attendance dates. And it's more related to the VR spree, rather than the Cordova Cat spree you've gathered info about. Anyway, from his 2018 arrest warrant, page 43 (see below for link): --- By 1974, DeAngelo attended a police academy for 400 hours at the Kings County Public Safety Academy. This academy was affiliated with the College of the Sequoias within Visalia, CA. ----- We don't know if that means he finished by the beginning of 1974 or he finished sometime during early/mid/or even late 1974. We also don't know if the academy classes mirrored the semester system COS was on (they're on semester system as of 2019, I'm assuming it was that way in 1973-74 too.) I'm going to do a little arithmetic to get an estimate of how long he was in the academy. This might give us a little help in understanding how long he was taking the classes (and we'd have an idea when he was working day shift, at least partially, since the classes were mostly at night.) It also might show us when it was impractical to drive up to Sacramento, though he could have cut classes - for those speculating on Sac area crimes he might have committed during his Exeter tenure. Based on what you wrote above, with 7-10 M-Th (most likely) schedule and all day Saturday (I'm gonna guesstimate it was six hours of classes with an hour lunch break, say 9AM to 4PM) That gives you 4 * 3 + 6 = 18 hours per week That would mean ~22 weeks of academy classes (18 *22 = 396 hours, close enough) Here's a question: did Deangelo tell his wife he was still attending academy classes when he had already finished, thus giving him an alibi for being out at night so much? Also note, most VR crimes were committed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Arrest warrant article URL from Sac Bee: www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article212377094.htmlHey Johnny, I always appreciate your posts. I think the reddit sub has a timeline pinned up top and if I remember correctly they had the dates you are looking for. I've got the flu so I'm to lazy to look myself. The EARONS sub's pinned timeline doesn't have it. The reddit GoldenStateKiller sub has a more detailed timeline, but it doesn't have any dates regarding when. The Exeter Sun-Times article of May 23, 1973 does have his date of starting Exeter PD duties as May 19, 1973. It also says: "He earned a B.A. at the California State University and is continuing post-graduate work in criminal justice under an honors program." Is that "honors program" the COS academy? If so, it would *seem* to answer dougguard's question of whether he started the the academy before assuming his duties on May 19 - maybe.
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Post by dougguard on Dec 14, 2019 13:43:13 GMT -8
When I went through, the P.O.S.T. Required hours back then was 640 hours. However, caveat one could be sworn and working after about 1\3 the hours. My time was 20 hours a week and I could be employed also. JJD most likely worked as an officer while training. Just guessing though. His wife graduated from Sac State is in 76 and I don’t know her actual time there because she was a transfer student. It would be a good guess that he returned to the Sacramento area on days off if his newly married did not live with him. Also, to avoid confusion the academy may have been off site from Sequoia College like most are. Example: CHP grads still get 15 semester units from American River College even though they never step foot on campus. Same for Sacramento Sheriff and Sac PD.
Sorry if I drift to far from the question.
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Dec 17, 2019 17:40:06 GMT -8
When I went through, the P.O.S.T. Required hours back then was 640 hours. However, caveat one could be sworn and working after about 1\3 the hours. My time was 20 hours a week and I could be employed also. JJD most likely worked as an officer while training. Just guessing though. His wife graduated from Sac State is in 76 and I don’t know her actual time there because she was a transfer student. It would be a good guess that he returned to the Sacramento area on days off if his newly married did not live with him. Also, to avoid confusion the academy may have been off site from Sequoia College like most are. Example: CHP grads still get 15 semester units from American River College even though they never step foot on campus. Same for Sacramento Sheriff and Sac PD. Sorry if I drift to far from the question. Given what you've written, dougguard, 640 hours divided by 20 hours per week = 32 weeks which would be two 16-week semesters - which you probably knew already, but I didn't. It make perfect sense as junior college semesters are 16 weeks, I'm pretty sure (though the 400 hours total quoted in the arrest warrant does really square up with semester boundaries.) So now we want to know exactly which two semesters he attended - just to have more whereabouts info (though he could have "commuted" to various crimes.) Was it before the VR supposedly started in 1974 (some say earlier), or during? I suppose if we knew when his 32-week stint as an intern with Roseville ended would be helpful.
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