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Post by johnnyhands1 on Oct 29, 2021 1:57:02 GMT -8
Here are some questions for Nick or any LE-experienced folks:
What value did JJD's 32-week internship at Roseville PD have in JJD's criminal career - especially as the Cordova Cat? He was interning in the "Identifications and Investigations Division."
How could he have used that experience gained, say, initially, in his (alledged) crimes as the Cordova Cat? (Keeping in mind his hunting grounds in Rancho Cordova were outside the Roseville jurisdiction.)
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Post by nick on Nov 30, 2021 15:23:22 GMT -8
Although I do not know for sure what he learned back then in my day the interns were used for different purposes or projects. They used them for crime tracking or abatement projects all would have been done at the PD itself without any fieldwork.
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Post by nick on Nov 30, 2021 15:27:00 GMT -8
I can tell you this he would have seen the internal workings of a police department and how calls are handled and could have even been assigned to investigations which would help him in so many ways. The other thing is JJD would be exposed to conversations with the officers that would help his crimes series in so many ways. JJD is a smart man and he would have taken every advantage to learn how an investigation is conducted and what officers look for in terms of crimes.
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Post by steelbike on Dec 3, 2021 13:25:33 GMT -8
I can tell you this he would have seen the internal workings of a police department and how calls are handled and could have even been assigned to investigations which would help him in so many ways. The other thing is JJD would be exposed to conversations with the officers that would help his crimes series in so many ways. JJD is a smart man and he would have taken every advantage to learn how an investigation is conducted and what officers look for in terms of crimes. Perhaps even used whatever uniform that he acquired for the program to commit crimes? |
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Post by nick on Dec 3, 2021 19:48:17 GMT -8
I can tell you this he would have seen the internal workings of a police department and how calls are handled and could have even been assigned to investigations which would help him in so many ways. The other thing is JJD would be exposed to conversations with the officers that would help his crimes series in so many ways. JJD is a smart man and he would have taken every advantage to learn how an investigation is conducted and what officers look for in terms of crimes. Perhaps even used whatever uniform that he acquired for the program to commit crimes? There would most likely not a uniform if Roseville used interns like the agencies I am familiar with but they could have. If it was a structured program ( like an academy) with a goal of the interns being officer then there could be a uniform I just don't know. |
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Post by nick on Dec 3, 2021 19:59:52 GMT -8
I can imagine little Joey asking all kinds of questions of LE especially when it came to serial crimes and the like. He was not a shy unlikeable guy and I am sure he pumped the officers for all kinds of information. JJD was a risk-taker he enjoyed pushing limits and he wiggled right into LE to make himself the super predator that he became.
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Post by steelbike on Dec 4, 2021 8:56:04 GMT -8
Don’t “ explorer scouts” wear uniforms?
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Post by nick on Dec 4, 2021 21:55:34 GMT -8
Don’t “ explorer scouts” wear uniforms? Yes they do. |
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Dec 5, 2021 2:38:39 GMT -8
I can tell you this he would have seen the internal workings of a police department and how calls are handled and could have even been assigned to investigations which would help him in so many ways. The other thing is JJD would be exposed to conversations with the officers that would help his crimes series in so many ways. JJD is a smart man and he would have taken every advantage to learn how an investigation is conducted and what officers look for in terms of crimes. That's what I was thinking. He might have learned exactly what resources LE does and doesn't have at its disposal for tracking suspects (which is probably already implied at what you're saying.) It's really pretty diabolical - joining the police force to become a better criminal. I haven't heard any talking heads dig far into his "career planning." For me, the extra training the internship gave him just bolsters the idea that JJD was more motivated in his life of crime than your typical criminal. That's why I believe JJD capable of an elaborate framing attempt like the Oscar Clifton had to be - if Oscar didn't murder Donna Richmond. Same for Kenneth Lane in the 1977 Page/Sinclair murders if he didn't do it (the jury was hung in all three trials, so Lane went free.) And we have the Gary Bardone interview by 12-26-75 podcast, where JJD was trying to frame him for insurance fraud in December 1975 - for a burglary on the Bardone home that JJD well may have committed himself. Was it really an attempted to frame him for insurance fraud - or worse? Just in case any one reading this hasn't listened to it, you really have to, given you're at this site): 12-26-75 podcast, "Ep. 30 South Belmont Road" (keep in mind 12-26-75 says Mrs. Bardone corroborates the late Mr. Bardoni's story): podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/12-26-75/id1228807274?i=1000452394490 |
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Post by nick on Dec 7, 2021 20:45:37 GMT -8
When Exeter PD sent JJD to school for investigators investigating burglaries it had to have made everything easier to break into everything. The Roseville connection would have given a good base on how the police conduct investigations and how patrol services worked. I would also imagine JJD going on a ride along with patrol. I had riders from the department like the volunteers and other members of the department.
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Post by nick on Jan 6, 2022 22:20:20 GMT -8
The biggest thing in the Roseville PD time frame is the Rancho Cat (Cordova Cat) time frame. JJD was the CAT while he was an intern spending his weekdays at Roseville PD and his nights in the Rancho Cordova ground zero EAR neighborhoods as the Cat. He was entering the homes in the dark of night standing over his victims while they slept and going through their possessions. This behavior of course primed him for the abduction in the VR series and emboldened him to commit it. During the time of the Cat is the Sarda incident where he was desperate for a victim and attempted a daytime attack ending in his defeat. JJD learned from his mistakes and knew he had to be willing to kill.
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Post by steelbike on Jan 8, 2022 11:09:47 GMT -8
Unless he had already killed(?)
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Post by nick on Jan 14, 2022 0:24:18 GMT -8
Unless he had already killed(?) He sure could have and I will add nothing on him would surprise me. I have talked to a few people who claimed to be friends with JJD after high school and the time they went to college together. Old Joey was not some shy quiet type fly under the wire personally. I hear them say Joe is a loud talker and does surprising things and tries to get a rise out of people. I also hear he liked to show off and rode a motorcycle like a bat out of hell. But I also heard he was kinda strange or weird or maybe it was awkwardness in some situations but not everyday weird (whatever that means). Joe was a risk taker and he enjoyed it. |
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Jan 14, 2022 19:43:46 GMT -8
Unless he had already killed(?) He sure could have and I will add nothing on him would surprise me. I have talked to a few people who claimed to be friends with JJD after high school and the time they went to college together. Old Joey was not some shy quiet type fly under the wire personally. I hear them say Joe is a loud talker and does surprising things and tries to get a rise out of people. I also hear he liked to show off and rode a motorcycle like a bat out of hell. But I also heard he was kinda strange or weird or maybe it was awkwardness in some situations but not everyday weird (whatever that means). Joe was a risk taker and he enjoyed it. What do you think about some peoples opinion (mine also) that Joe's decision to become a police officer was, in part, a way to become a better criminal? In other words, he had fantasies about who knows what kind of crimes for many years during his youth - and realized becoming a police officer would help him in realizing those fantasies. Also, just wanted to know if you've listened to the stories told by surrogate family member "Judy?" What about high school burglary partner Gary S? Man In The Window podcast, Ep. 9, "The Many Faces of Joe Deangelo" said his real first name was Jim but his last name withheld. Note the podcast also implied this was not one of the surrogate family brothers, as they said Jim said, after Joe left for the navy, Jim never saw him again. |
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Jan 14, 2022 19:46:34 GMT -8
Unless he had already killed(?) He sure could have and I will add nothing on him would surprise me. I have talked to a few people who claimed to be friends with JJD after high school and the time they went to college together. Old Joey was not some shy quiet type fly under the wire personally. I hear them say Joe is a loud talker and does surprising things and tries to get a rise out of people. I also hear he liked to show off and rode a motorcycle like a bat out of hell. But I also heard he was kinda strange or weird or maybe it was awkwardness in some situations but not everyday weird (whatever that means). Joe was a risk taker and he enjoyed it. I'm quoting your same post twice to separate two lines of inquiry you inspired for me (and thanks.) Here goes: Were any of those friends close enough to remember times, perhaps during holidays or some other memorable occurrence - where they might be able to remember spending time with him on a particular date (for example, remembering being him, say, after he came back from the navy on a particular holiday, or near a particular holiday?) It would probably mean they remember some milestone in their own life that helps them pinpoint it. Not completely out of the question. Joe-before-navy, and Joe-after-navy memories would at least narrow down the time frame as to which set of years, say. Did Joe ever attend sporting events or other publicly notable events with any these friends? if someone could remember which local team, and perhaps the opponent, that's something that might be narrowed down. |
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