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Post by johnnyhands1 on Mar 5, 2022 0:25:43 GMT -8
Also, regarding the deputies waiting nearby, did they make a note of what the time was the dogs started barking? And how far were they from the where the dogs lost EAR's scent. If they were close enough, and didn't hear a vehicle starting up, you could surmise JJD rode a bike away from that spot, rather than drove. Do you agree?
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Post by nick on Mar 5, 2022 2:15:47 GMT -8
According to the goldenstatekiller.com timeline, the three "I'm the East Side Rapist" ("Side", not "Area") calls to SCSO all happened in the late afternoon of the Benny Way attack #15 - at 4:15, 4:30, and 5:00. The call to the two sister victims, where they told the caller their parents were away for the weekend, just says "afternoon" for that day - but I'm guessing it happened before the three calls to SCSO. If I'm right, it would seemed JJD was emboldened by the fact that he was able to elicit the valuable-to-him information that the parents were away. I think we can be pretty sure it JJD who made those calls to SCSO given the time/location proximity of everything else. Nick, do you remember if any voice comparison questions were asked or answered by the two girl victims, as far as the JJD attack voice and voice of the afternoon caller's (even though you can guess he wasn't using his attack voice for the afternoon calls?) www.goldenstatekiller.com/timeline.phpIf you want to see all the attack 15 related events listed there, do a search for this: attack #15 (the first events listed there is where neighbors started receiving calls in the last half of January before the March attack.) I have asked everyone that I know over the years and no one could answer the questions regarding any of the calls being compared. It doesn't mean it was not done but I do not know and don't know anyone who does. |
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Mar 5, 2022 23:10:52 GMT -8
According to the goldenstatekiller.com timeline, the three "I'm the East Side Rapist" ("Side", not "Area") calls to SCSO all happened in the late afternoon of the Benny Way attack #15 - at 4:15, 4:30, and 5:00. The call to the two sister victims, where they told the caller their parents were away for the weekend, just says "afternoon" for that day - but I'm guessing it happened before the three calls to SCSO. If I'm right, it would seemed JJD was emboldened by the fact that he was able to elicit the valuable-to-him information that the parents were away. I think we can be pretty sure it JJD who made those calls to SCSO given the time/location proximity of everything else. Nick, do you remember if any voice comparison questions were asked or answered by the two girl victims, as far as the JJD attack voice and voice of the afternoon caller's (even though you can guess he wasn't using his attack voice for the afternoon calls?) www.goldenstatekiller.com/timeline.phpIf you want to see all the attack 15 related events listed there, do a search for this: attack #15 (the first events listed there is where neighbors started receiving calls in the last half of January before the March attack.) I have asked everyone that I know over the years and no one could answer the questions regarding any of the calls being compared. It doesn't mean it was not done but I do not know and don't know anyone who does. After reading your response and thinking about it, I can't blame them for not pursuing questions about voices. The thin sound of a stranger's voice on a limited-audio-spectrum 70's telephone line was already different than that same voice in person, plus the live attack voice was disguised as an angry gruff whisper. A defense lawyer could pick part a victim's testimony about why they thought the voices were similar - especially if the victim only thought so after being asked by investigators. A victim-suspected voice match between afternoon caller and attacker might be convincing - if the victim thought so at the time of the attack. Apparently they didn't. EDIT: or perhaps the victims did think so at the time of the attack, and that's the only reason we know about the afternoon caller. But, as you said, Nick, no one remembers, and who can blame them after so many decades. |
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Post by nick on Apr 2, 2022 13:58:57 GMT -8
I have asked everyone that I know over the years and no one could answer the questions regarding any of the calls being compared. It doesn't mean it was not done but I do not know and don't know anyone who does. After reading your response and thinking about it, I can't blame them for not pursuing questions about voices. The thin sound of a stranger's voice on a limited-audio-spectrum 70's telephone line was already different than that same voice in person, plus the live attack voice was disguised as an angry gruff whisper. A defense lawyer could pick part a victim's testimony about why they thought the voices were similar - especially if the victim only thought so after being asked by investigators. A victim-suspected voice match between afternoon caller and attacker might be convincing - if the victim thought so at the time of the attack. Apparently they didn't. EDIT: or perhaps the victims did think so at the time of the attack, and that's the only reason we know about the afternoon caller. But, as you said, Nick, no one remembers, and who can blame them after so many decades. LE was relying on EAR to make mistakes that other sex offenders had done in the past. That was of course a huge mistake. The other sex offenders that had been caught would have a tie in some way to the victims maybe even someone who they knew or there was a connection in some other way. EAR of course was good at not being connected to the victims and LE spent way too much time trying to find a connection between all the known victims and the attacker. This technique had worked in the past and some failures but it was used to catch a lot of predators before during and after EAR. I think LE underestimated how much pre-attack preparation JJD was performing prior to victim selection. They did not see how much prowling JJD was doing before an attack. JJD had escape plans in nearly every attack with some very few attacks that seemed to be on the fly. I still think the on-the-fly attacks were still in an area where he had worked out escape routes and techniques. |
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Post by nick on Apr 2, 2022 14:04:20 GMT -8
After reading your response and thinking about it, I can't blame them for not pursuing questions about voices. The thin sound of a stranger's voice on a limited-audio-spectrum 70's telephone line was already different than that same voice in person, plus the live attack voice was disguised as an angry gruff whisper. A defense lawyer could pick part a victim's testimony about why they thought the voices were similar - especially if the victim only thought so after being asked by investigators. A victim-suspected voice match between afternoon caller and attacker might be convincing - if the victim thought so at the time of the attack. Apparently they didn't. EDIT: or perhaps the victims did think so at the time of the attack, and that's the only reason we know about the afternoon caller. But, as you said, Nick, no one remembers, and who can blame them after so many decades. LE was relying on EAR to make mistakes that other sex offenders had done in the past. That was of course a huge mistake. The other sex offenders that had been caught would have a tie in some way to the victims maybe even someone who they knew or there was a connection in some other way. EAR of course was good at not being connected to the victims and LE spent way too much time trying to find a connection between all the known victims and the attacker. This technique had worked in the past and some failures but it was used to catch a lot of predators before during and after EAR. I think LE underestimated how much pre-attack preparation JJD was performing prior to victim selection. They did not see how much prowling JJD was doing before an attack. JJD had escape plans in nearly every attack with some very few attacks that seemed to be on the fly. I still think the on-the-fly attacks were still in an area where he had worked out escape routes and techniques. I still think the remaining Deputies that are still alive from the EAR era are still to this day reluctant to say some things about the case in some twisted way of making the department look bad. I also think its a coping method to their own feelings of failure in not catching EAR then. I still feel that failure and I came along later after EAR had moved his attacks to the ONS series. I wanted to catch that bastard so badly it hard and I can't imagine how LE felt when he was active having to go to crime scene after crime scene and not even getting close to catching him. |
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Post by nick on Apr 2, 2022 14:10:46 GMT -8
JJD was right under our noses the entire time and I don't even know how I missed him myself. JJD drove past the newer FBI building for years on his way home from the Save Mart warehouse. When the FBI did the big press conference when they announced the push to look into the case again would have been when JJD drove right past the very building where agents were hunting him. It had to have made him laugh out loud up until the pot roast in the oven day.
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Apr 3, 2022 5:27:59 GMT -8
JJD was right under our noses the entire time and I don't even know how I missed him myself. JJD drove past the newer FBI building for years on his way home from the Save Mart warehouse. When the FBI did the big press conference when they announced the push to look into the case again would have been when JJD drove right past the very building where agents were hunting him. It had to have made him laugh out loud up until the pot roast in the oven day. I don't blame individual officers, because mistakes will be made in any investigation. I blame then-Sheriff Duane Lowe for the executive decision to dismiss the possible VR connection for political reasons (because VR had killed - the Snelling murder - Sheriff Lowe didn't want EAR to be a known killer, which would scare the public even more. He also likely had his own re-election in mind.) I'm thinking 1977-78 Sac Sheriff could have simply sent the VPD investigators out on their own to pursue that VR = EAR connection, without much coordination or spent resources from Sac. Maybe an occasional meeting where VPD would come to Sacramento on VPD's own dime. I'm guessing VPD would have agreed to that. And both sides could have agreed to keep it quiet. It would have been good to eliminate VR as an EAR suspect. But Lowe didn't see the value of eliminating VR as an EAR suspect. A major opportunity missed to narrow it down to a much shorter list with Deangelo on it. I'm also thinking the pro EAR=LE faction of Sac Sheriff would have seen the opportunity of a much-smaller haystack with VR = EAR: LE-types who had Tulare-Sac connections for that timeframe. I would cut some major slack to Sac Sheriff in this way: they had no idea it would take so long to catch him - they wouldn't have been thinking so long range as to need to eliminate VR as an EAR suspect, as we can see today with hindsight. Nick, I'm guessing you didn't hear much VR = EAR talk, if any, when you were in the middle of it. Speaking of the VR connection, this Wednesday, April 6, 6 pm Pacific time, retired VPD VR-investigator John Vaughn will be giving a talk in Visalia about the VR and it's supposedly going to be live-streamed, then later available on YouTube: www.TheGoodLifeSV.comHere's an article with more information: www.thegoodlifesv.com/story/2022/03/01/news/visalia-ransacker-presentation-scheduled-for-april-6/676.html |
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Post by nick on Apr 5, 2022 4:21:34 GMT -8
JJD was right under our noses the entire time and I don't even know how I missed him myself. JJD drove past the newer FBI building for years on his way home from the Save Mart warehouse. When the FBI did the big press conference when they announced the push to look into the case again would have been when JJD drove right past the very building where agents were hunting him. It had to have made him laugh out loud up until the pot roast in the oven day. I don't blame individual officers, because mistakes will be made in any investigation. I blame then-Sheriff Duane Lowe for the executive decision to dismiss the possible VR connection for political reasons (because VR had killed - the Snelling murder - Sheriff Lowe didn't want EAR to be a known killer, which would scare the public even more. He also likely had his own re-election in mind.) I'm thinking 1977-78 Sac Sheriff could have simply sent the VPD investigators out on their own to pursue that VR = EAR connection, without much coordination or spent resources from Sac. Maybe an occasional meeting where VPD would come to Sacramento on VPD's own dime. I'm guessing VPD would have agreed to that. And both sides could have agreed to keep it quiet. It would have been good to eliminate VR as an EAR suspect. But Lowe didn't see the value of eliminating VR as an EAR suspect. A major opportunity missed to narrow it down to a much shorter list with Deangelo on it. I'm also thinking the pro EAR=LE faction of Sac Sheriff would have seen the opportunity of a much-smaller haystack with VR = EAR: LE-types who had Tulare-Sac connections for that timeframe. I would cut some major slack to Sac Sheriff in this way: they had no idea it would take so long to catch him - they wouldn't have been thinking so long range as to need to eliminate VR as an EAR suspect, as we can see today with hindsight. Nick, I'm guessing you didn't hear much VR = EAR talk, if any, when you were in the middle of it. Speaking of the VR connection, this Wednesday, April 6, 6 pm Pacific time, retired VPD VR-investigator John Vaughn will be giving a talk in Visalia about the VR and it's supposedly going to be live-streamed, then later available on YouTube: www.TheGoodLifeSV.comHere's an article with more information: www.thegoodlifesv.com/story/2022/03/01/news/visalia-ransacker-presentation-scheduled-for-april-6/676.htmlNo there was never any talk of VR around here. I never even heard of Visalia until many years later never mind VR. |
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Post by nick on Apr 5, 2022 4:44:54 GMT -8
I can't find the poster who wrote about the next topic I have maybe they will see it and speak up. Their post made me look into the topic.
After the Stockton attack and the hypnosis session of a six-year-old child, a "Malt Liquor" Blue bull tattoo was placed on EAR's forearm. The tattoo was supposed to be the master clue to the identity of the East Area Rapist. There was a tremendous amount of manpower placed on the search and of course, nothing came from it. It should be noted LE was desperate at this point because he was moving away from Sacramento at this time and they still had no clue who he was.
Another note a certain Sacramento Sheriff was pleased with his men and women because they had pressured and forced EAR to flee the county and that was the goal short of an actual arrest. The orders were given to get rid of him one way or another.
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Post by nick on Apr 5, 2022 4:51:28 GMT -8
EAR was the reason the CHP helicopter was brought up from Southern Califonia to Sacramento in another attempt to move him out of Sacramento County. JJD would not like the helicopter with the time he spent on roofs and laying in small bushes in the backyards of homes. COCO County and the other cities nearby also benefitted from that same CHP helicopter during those EAR was directly responsible for the Sac Sheriff's getting the first k-9 "Prince".
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Post by nick on Apr 5, 2022 10:21:49 GMT -8
I can't find the poster who wrote about the next topic I have maybe they will see it and speak up. Their post made me look into the topic. After the Stockton attack and the hypnosis session of a six-year-old child, a "Malt Liquor" Blue bull tattoo was placed on EAR's forearm. The tattoo was supposed to be the master clue to the identity of the East Area Rapist. There was a tremendous amount of manpower placed on the search and of course, nothing came from it. It should be noted LE was desperate at this point because he was moving away from Sacramento at this time and they still had no clue who he was. Another note a certain Sacramento Sheriff was pleased with his men and women because they had pressured and forced EAR to flee the county and that was the goal short of an actual arrest. The orders were given to get rid of him one way or another. I'm remembering there was at least one other person (an adult this time) not a victim but a neighbor or a person who was contacted after an attack on the neighborhood canvas that claims to have seen a tattoo on a guy in her front yard. I don't remember which attack right now. |
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