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Post by nick on Dec 28, 2019 22:29:10 GMT -8
I want to post my thoughts and information on what I believe JJD was up to in 1973. Especially since the VR controversy is still getting to me and I want to put it all out here over the next few days maybe someone can help me to put them to rest once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 13:56:24 GMT -8
Especially since the VR controversy is still getting to me Can you break this down for us, Nick? Thanks! |
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Post by nick on Jan 2, 2020 21:28:20 GMT -8
In 1973 JJD should be working at Exeter PD and not traveling to Rancho Cordova. We know the MO was being used in Rancho as the Rancho Cat series of events. JJD had to have been coming to Rancho and there is strong evidence there was also a similar event series in Rocklin. Rocklin makes sense since it was on the way to Auburn and he must have come to Rocklin while he lived there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 7:48:43 GMT -8
He should have been in one place, but oddly shows up in another. This pattern repeats over and over again. Just like he should have been working for Auburn PD, but turns up in places like Concord, 100 or so miles away from there.
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Post by murderinc on Jan 3, 2020 13:00:25 GMT -8
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Post by sammyt on Jan 4, 2020 9:57:19 GMT -8
He should have been in one place, but oddly shows up in another. This pattern repeats over and over again. Just like he should have been working for Auburn PD, but turns up in places like Concord, 100 or so miles away from there. These sorts of offenders are often super high mileage drivers... like ridiculous amounts... I wonder if JJD used a motorbike to speed up some of his journeys. He had a motorbike as a young man with Bonnie, and as an older man when when arrested. According to Paul Holes, JJD liked to ride his bikes very fast. DeAngelo's solo LE job at Auburn may have given him the freedom on a few occasions to have disappeared for the day. He also apparently took quite a lot of sick days. Either that or he had access to a private plane... or there was a second offender/accomplice in Visalia! |
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Post by nick on Jan 4, 2020 18:45:25 GMT -8
I like that site...Good Job on it!! |
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Post by dougguard on Jan 5, 2020 16:00:52 GMT -8
Motorcycle plays into this without question. The bike pictured during the search was NOT an “old mans” scoter but a street/dirt 600 cc type. Offering perfect cover from identity and escape. But in 73? The Cordova Meadows series was still active according to Detective Ken Clark and JJD was doing graduate work at Sac State. He got married that Year also. Gas was cheap and the speed limit was 55. I would suggest we put too much emphasis on his exact location according to events in his life or work or life situation. He very well may have worked out of Sacramento County for most of his murder crimes. His wife was employed full time after passing the bar in 1982. I just do not see him paying for multiple locations to live but we will find out perhaps sometime in this new decade?
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Post by nick on Jan 5, 2020 23:32:11 GMT -8
Motorcycle plays into this without question. The bike pictured during the search was NOT an “old mans” scoter but a street/dirt 600 cc type. Offering perfect cover from identity and escape. But in 73? The Cordova Meadows series was still active according to Detective Ken Clark and JJD was doing graduate work at Sac State. He got married that Year also. Gas was cheap and the speed limit was 55. I would suggest we put too much emphasis on his exact location according to events in his life or work or life situation. He very well may have worked out of Sacramento County for most of his murder crimes. His wife was employed full time after passing the bar in 1982. I just do not see him paying for multiple locations to live but we will find out perhaps sometime in this new decade? I agree he was not moving around and living (as in more than a visit) in Southern California. JJD in my opinion lived in and around Sacramento, Citrus Heights, Roseville, Rocklin, Orangevale and Fair Oaks but either way never relocating out of his comfortable area. JJD lived right here among us the entire time and made trips to there attack locations. He easily have stayed in motels or stayed with family and friends since everyone surrounding him thought he was a great guy. The Cordova Meadows and the Rancho Cat series and with JJD attending Sac State makes perfect sense it was on his way home and he knew the area since he lived there as a kid. When in college no one takes Friday classes and that leaves four full nights to prowling and stalk victims when you start on Thursday night and don't have to be back to class until Monday or even more likely Tuesday. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 10:32:25 GMT -8
Motorcycle plays into this without question. The bike pictured during the search was NOT an “old mans” scoter but a street/dirt 600 cc type. Offering perfect cover from identity and escape. But in 73? The Cordova Meadows series was still active according to Detective Ken Clark and JJD was doing graduate work at Sac State. He got married that Year also. Gas was cheap and the speed limit was 55. I would suggest we put too much emphasis on his exact location according to events in his life or work or life situation. He very well may have worked out of Sacramento County for most of his murder crimes. His wife was employed full time after passing the bar in 1982. I just do not see him paying for multiple locations to live but we will find out perhaps sometime in this new decade? I agree he was not moving around and living (as in more than a visit) in Southern California. JJD in my opinion lived in and around Sacramento, Citrus Heights, Roseville, Rocklin, Orangevale and Fair Oaks but either way never relocating out of his comfortable area. JJD lived right here among us the entire time and made trips to there attack locations. He easily have stayed in motels or stayed with family and friends since everyone surrounding him thought he was a great guy. Well said, Nick. I still often wonder what he was doing down in Dana Point? |
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Post by magnumforce73 on Jan 8, 2020 11:25:18 GMT -8
Good find, but one thing bothers me: in that 1973 series that took place among the four females in San Francisco, they were dispatched via strangulation/suffocation. I'm not saying J.J.D. wasn't capable of it--the record speaks for itself on that question--but nowhere in the EAR/ONS saga, and for that matter the Cordova Cat series, the Rocklin series, and the Visalia phase, have I seen anything in the available literature or documentaries or other primary sources even discussing the possibility of strangulation on the victims. He had knives or firearms on him for crowd control, and to handle any "fluid situations," but ideally--and I base this off the grisly conclusions of his ONS phase--if he did not meet fierce physical resistance, or if he wasn't disturbed by unexpected interlopers, he liked crushing his victims' skulls--or battering them about, like he did with Beth Snelling in Sept. 75. I agree with F.D.L.E. criminologist Leslie D'Ambrosia who wrote that "if he kept at it [the ONS-type murders]...the victims would suffer bizarre, horrifically painful deaths." This find only demonstrates what a preferred hunting ground California was in the 70s for numerous psychopaths. Related: S.F.P.D. has yet to nail "The Doodler," the anonymous murderer who offed a bunch of men in the city in 1975. mf73 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 11:28:38 GMT -8
Good find, but one thing bothers me: in that 1973 series that took place among the four females in San Francisco, they were dispatched via strangulation/suffocation. I'm not saying J.J.D. wasn't capable of it--the record speaks for itself on that question--but nowhere in the EAR/ONS saga, and for that matter the Cordova Cat series, the Rocklin series, and the Visalia phase, have I seen anything in the available literature or documentaries or other primary sources even discussing the possibility of strangulation on the victims. He had knives or firearms on him for crowd control, and to handle any "fluid situations," but ideally--and I base this off the grisly conclusions of his ONS phase--if he did not meet fierce physical resistance, or if he wasn't disturbed by unexpected interlopers, he liked crushing his victims' skulls--or battering them about, like he did with Beth Snelling in Sept. 75. I agree with F.D.L.E. criminologist Leslie D'Ambrosia who wrote that "if he kept at it [the ONS-type murders]...the victims would suffer bizarre, horrifically painful deaths." This find only demonstrates what a preferred hunting ground California was in the 70s for numerous psychopaths. Related: S.F.P.D. has yet to nail "The Doodler," the anonymous murderer who offed a bunch of men in the city in 1975. mf73 Glad to see you back, mf73. |
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Post by magnumforce73 on Jan 8, 2020 11:36:13 GMT -8
In 1973 JJD should be working at Exeter PD and not traveling to Rancho Cordova. We know the MO was being used in Rancho as the Rancho Cat series of events. JJD had to have been coming to Rancho and there is strong evidence there was also a similar event series in Rocklin. Rocklin makes sense since it was on the way to Auburn and he must have come to Rocklin while he lived there. If I may on this point, nick: you're right in that he "should be working at Exeter." If I recall correctly, Mommy Bosanko was still living up north in the R.C. area--I want to say that she didn't move down to Exeter (Tulare Co.) until 74 or 75. On the matter of Rocklin: a little bird who doubles as a reliable source of intelligent information uncovered some beautiful discoveries related to Rocklin circa 73. Those offenses REEK of him. In a recent podcast, Inv. Holes made the observation that he was a subpar B&E artist, but that it began to change when: one, he began augmenting his work as a police officer by taking classes at various institutions in California that taught him the ways and means of the criminal mind; and two, he was detailed to anti-burglary units, and I can't think of better training than that by belonging to a unit whose work encompasses a massive part of his own criminal endeavors. He picked up tricks, and coupled with incessant practice, he became very adept--I loathe using the word "masterful" here, but it is what it is, and he was excellent at what he did as the record shows. Rocklin was a training ground/scrimmage time in preparation for what would eventually unfold from Visalia up through Encinitas in Irvine in early May 86. mf73 |
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Post by magnumforce73 on Jan 8, 2020 11:37:46 GMT -8
Good find, but one thing bothers me: in that 1973 series that took place among the four females in San Francisco, they were dispatched via strangulation/suffocation. I'm not saying J.J.D. wasn't capable of it--the record speaks for itself on that question--but nowhere in the EAR/ONS saga, and for that matter the Cordova Cat series, the Rocklin series, and the Visalia phase, have I seen anything in the available literature or documentaries or other primary sources even discussing the possibility of strangulation on the victims. He had knives or firearms on him for crowd control, and to handle any "fluid situations," but ideally--and I base this off the grisly conclusions of his ONS phase--if he did not meet fierce physical resistance, or if he wasn't disturbed by unexpected interlopers, he liked crushing his victims' skulls--or battering them about, like he did with Beth Snelling in Sept. 75. I agree with F.D.L.E. criminologist Leslie D'Ambrosia who wrote that "if he kept at it [the ONS-type murders]...the victims would suffer bizarre, horrifically painful deaths." This find only demonstrates what a preferred hunting ground California was in the 70s for numerous psychopaths. Related: S.F.P.D. has yet to nail "The Doodler," the anonymous murderer who offed a bunch of men in the city in 1975. mf73 Glad to see you back, mf73. You know how it is, goldrusher: Life sometimes gets in the way of more pleasurable pursuits. mf73 |
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Post by murderinc on Jan 8, 2020 11:54:26 GMT -8
but nowhere in the EAR/ONS saga, mf73 Key word here: EAR/ONS. EAR/ONS is only what the police were forced to link. Strangulation by ligature is essentially a form of bondage. This is a killer who shot people and bludgeoned them, of course he's going to strangle and stab as well. The "escalation" to ONS theory is based on viewing a small portion of the offenders murders relying solely on the crimes police were competent enough to link, and we all know how competent police are. In order to get a full picture we must disregard the police theories and start over with the timeline.
PS Donna Richmond (classmate of JJD's nephew) was strangled and stabbed.
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