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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 6:48:08 GMT -8
Some time ago, a poster sent me this pic in a DM and stated this house -- 1202 Granite Lane was the one Joe and Sharon lived in. Would anyone like to chime in with some thoughts on this? Another address that was given on the other board once was 1209 Granite Lane, but that address doesn't exist.  |
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Post by Wonky Jr. on Jan 21, 2020 9:18:57 GMT -8
Some time ago, a poster sent me this pic in a DM and stated this house -- 1202 Granite Lane was the one Joe and Sharon lived in. Would anyone like to chime in with some thoughts on this? Another address that was given on the other board once was 1209 Granite Lane, but that address doesn't exist. View AttachmentI'd say it's the right place. It looks exactly like the one in the Oxygen program with Stephanie Gosk. I remember the former neighbor standing in front of that bush being interviewed. |
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Post by jenn on Jan 21, 2020 20:21:38 GMT -8
It's the house. I've been there. The parcel number is the same but the address was changed for some reason.
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Post by dougguard on Jan 22, 2020 20:11:23 GMT -8
I am sure the house has been completely remodeled because it looks to be very high priced right now? This only reminds me how different our country was back then. A part-time Police Officer possibly at $1400 month max could buy a home! A nice home at that! Most likely the G.I. Bill with little money down and good terms. Sorry. Just reminiscing about how life was back then and how one monster ruled the night for an entire region. The California crime wave of the mid-seventies was just getting started where criminals had virtual cart blanch on the streets.
But the middle class was available to all and home ownership was available to all and apartment renting was discouraged and even illegal at one time in some cities. Now post Great Recession most will never be able buy a home and entire generations of families will live in this class divide as renters and low wage poverty conditions.
I believe this will provide fertile ground for criminality and violence. Sorry! I have no answers as how to avoid the next EAR/ONS but looking at this house where a young women barely in her twenties was a homeowner married to a reptilian night stalker husband only drives the point...it could happen anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 4:14:00 GMT -8
Here's the pic of the backyard.  |
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Post by dougguard on Jan 23, 2020 19:17:40 GMT -8
Just to finish my point. He had a secure home and the police authority to defend it. Notice how...on an almost daily routine he violated the sanctity and safety of not only the homes of people but the sanctity of marriages. Raping wives in their own homes while their husbands were bound and had to endure the ultimate torture a man would suffer. Being a cop was not enough. Having the authority to stop and search citizens was not enough. He, having the ultimate protection as a citizen violated everything he was sworn to protect.
Now as the curtain closes on his monstrous life, his house was legally invaded by police and he had to suffer a slight humiliating experience in the County Jail. Hardly an equal retribution for the acts he committed. Even his death will have far more dignity than what he allowed for his victims. He kept his own castle neat and orderly whilst he destroyed so many other homes and lives. Not your typical serial killer by any means if you consider how long he lived a relatively normal life and was finally caught when most his age are ready to die.
Prolonged court appearances are his last tool to humiliate and antagonize and control like he did to his individual victims and the community at large. My personal wish is to offer him a life sentence in general population so we can forget and move on. Fat chance of that happening though! He has the “Creep Squad “ from the Public Defenders to fight his cause. This twisted crew gleefully defend baby rapers, cutthroat killers and the worst of the worst.
So now we see pictures of his former tidy middle class homes, his blue collar retirement and his harmless hobbies. I pray that his demise will be soon, that these blogs will shut down and healing for those hurt. This will be his true punishment.
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Post by griswoldeerie on Jan 26, 2020 12:02:18 GMT -8
Just to finish my point. He had a secure home and the police authority to defend it. Notice how...on an almost daily routine he violated the sanctity and safety of not only the homes of people but the sanctity of marriages. Raping wives in their own homes while their husbands were bound and had to endure the ultimate torture a man would suffer. Being a cop was not enough. Having the authority to stop and search citizens was not enough. He, having the ultimate protection as a citizen violated everything he was sworn to protect. Now as the curtain closes on his monstrous life, his house was legally invaded by police and he had to suffer a slight humiliating experience in the County Jail. Hardly an equal retribution for the acts he committed. Even his death will have far more dignity than what he allowed for his victims. He kept his own castle neat and orderly whilst he destroyed so many other homes and lives. Not your typical serial killer by any means if you consider how long he lived a relatively normal life and was finally caught when most his age are ready to die. Prolonged court appearances are his last tool to humiliate and antagonize and control like he did to his individual victims and the community at large. My personal wish is to offer him a life sentence in general population so we can forget and move on. Fat chance of that happening though! He has the “Creep Squad “ from the Public Defenders to fight his cause. This twisted crew gleefully defend baby rapers, cutthroat killers and the worst of the worst. So now we see pictures of his former tidy middle class homes, his blue collar retirement and his harmless hobbies. I pray that his demise will be soon, that these blogs will shut down and healing for those hurt. This will be his true punishment. The Constitution offers fair trials to all Americans. Sure he's bad and you can discard him as a person but dont discard our rights. The defenders are doing their jobs and going through the motions. You should be commending them for taking such a difficult client. Put yourself in Oscar Clifton's shoes, for example. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 12:11:06 GMT -8
Just to finish my point. He had a secure home and the police authority to defend it. Notice how...on an almost daily routine he violated the sanctity and safety of not only the homes of people but the sanctity of marriages. Raping wives in their own homes while their husbands were bound and had to endure the ultimate torture a man would suffer. Being a cop was not enough. Having the authority to stop and search citizens was not enough. He, having the ultimate protection as a citizen violated everything he was sworn to protect. Now as the curtain closes on his monstrous life, his house was legally invaded by police and he had to suffer a slight humiliating experience in the County Jail. Hardly an equal retribution for the acts he committed. Even his death will have far more dignity than what he allowed for his victims. He kept his own castle neat and orderly whilst he destroyed so many other homes and lives. Not your typical serial killer by any means if you consider how long he lived a relatively normal life and was finally caught when most his age are ready to die. Prolonged court appearances are his last tool to humiliate and antagonize and control like he did to his individual victims and the community at large. My personal wish is to offer him a life sentence in general population so we can forget and move on. Fat chance of that happening though! He has the “Creep Squad “ from the Public Defenders to fight his cause. This twisted crew gleefully defend baby rapers, cutthroat killers and the worst of the worst. So now we see pictures of his former tidy middle class homes, his blue collar retirement and his harmless hobbies. I pray that his demise will be soon, that these blogs will shut down and healing for those hurt. This will be his true punishment. The Constitution offers fair trials to all Americans. Sure he's bad and you can discard him as a person but dont discard our rights. The defenders are doing their jobs and going through the motions. You should be commending them for taking such a difficult client. Put yourself in Oscar Clifton's shoes, for example. JJD was the dirtiest cop out there abusing his authority, using the tools he learned and used as a cop, and was ruining people’s lives and then retiring to his nice house just to do it all again. I believe that’s what Doug was trying to convey here but he’s a grown man and will clarify does himself. I don’t think the folks here want JJD to NOT have a fair/just trial - they want exactly that - but we want it to be quicker and this is where the “system” is failing. Two years to set prelim? Yawn. |
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Jan 26, 2020 18:39:52 GMT -8
Just to finish my point. He had a secure home and the police authority to defend it. Notice how...on an almost daily routine he violated the sanctity and safety of not only the homes of people but the sanctity of marriages. Raping wives in their own homes while their husbands were bound and had to endure the ultimate torture a man would suffer. Being a cop was not enough. Having the authority to stop and search citizens was not enough. He, having the ultimate protection as a citizen violated everything he was sworn to protect. Now as the curtain closes on his monstrous life, his house was legally invaded by police and he had to suffer a slight humiliating experience in the County Jail. Hardly an equal retribution for the acts he committed. Even his death will have far more dignity than what he allowed for his victims. He kept his own castle neat and orderly whilst he destroyed so many other homes and lives. Not your typical serial killer by any means if you consider how long he lived a relatively normal life and was finally caught when most his age are ready to die. Prolonged court appearances are his last tool to humiliate and antagonize and control like he did to his individual victims and the community at large. My personal wish is to offer him a life sentence in general population so we can forget and move on. Fat chance of that happening though! He has the “Creep Squad “ from the Public Defenders to fight his cause. This twisted crew gleefully defend baby rapers, cutthroat killers and the worst of the worst. So now we see pictures of his former tidy middle class homes, his blue collar retirement and his harmless hobbies. I pray that his demise will be soon, that these blogs will shut down and healing for those hurt. This will be his true punishment. The Constitution offers fair trials to all Americans. Sure he's bad and you can discard him as a person but dont discard our rights. The defenders are doing their jobs and going through the motions. You should be commending them for taking such a difficult client. Put yourself in Oscar Clifton's shoes, for example. Or in Randall Dale Adams shoes as another example, in the documentary, "The Thin Blue Line." I get the thin-blue-line feeling from the Oscar Clifton case because the trail of evidence from Oscar telling defense lawyer Donohue about the "It's about time" comment made by Frank Thomas on Garden St. on Dec. 26, 1975 - the next day from jail when he was arrested. 12-26-75 says they have those Donohue notes of that meeting, as well as the notes of defense investigator Pettyjohn asking Frank Thomas about it a few days later, and police interview documentation of Thomas insisting he was asked first by Pettyjohn about the comment - he didn't feed it to Pettyjohn (for Oscar to use as an alibi.) Problem is the jury saw/heard none of it, including how Frank Thomas kept looking at his watch before then because the freezer loaders were over an hour late - for Thomas to be sure they arrived at 3:15PM (the arrival which Oscar also said he saw and heard.) So if 12-26-75 has all that documentation about the "It's about time" comment, for real, then only a conspiracy theory explains how Oscar would know about the comment/freezer loading without being there himself, at a time that trashes the prosecution's timeline. Note Oscar didn't know any of the people/names present at the freezer loading on Garden St. that day. Also, there are other supporting witnesses regarding Oscar's whereabouts timeline that bolster the defense (again, jury didn't hear them all) and a whole lot of prosecution witnesses whose times changed for this and other events between initial police interviews and court testimony. The 12-26-75 podcast Ep. 1, "It's About Time You Showed Up" explains all you need to know to understand where I'm coming from. |
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Post by jenn on Jan 26, 2020 20:24:26 GMT -8
Just to finish my point. He had a secure home and the police authority to defend it. Notice how...on an almost daily routine he violated the sanctity and safety of not only the homes of people but the sanctity of marriages. Raping wives in their own homes while their husbands were bound and had to endure the ultimate torture a man would suffer. Being a cop was not enough. Having the authority to stop and search citizens was not enough. He, having the ultimate protection as a citizen violated everything he was sworn to protect. Now as the curtain closes on his monstrous life, his house was legally invaded by police and he had to suffer a slight humiliating experience in the County Jail. Hardly an equal retribution for the acts he committed. Even his death will have far more dignity than what he allowed for his victims. He kept his own castle neat and orderly whilst he destroyed so many other homes and lives. Not your typical serial killer by any means if you consider how long he lived a relatively normal life and was finally caught when most his age are ready to die. Prolonged court appearances are his last tool to humiliate and antagonize and control like he did to his individual victims and the community at large. My personal wish is to offer him a life sentence in general population so we can forget and move on. Fat chance of that happening though! He has the “Creep Squad “ from the Public Defenders to fight his cause. This twisted crew gleefully defend baby rapers, cutthroat killers and the worst of the worst. So now we see pictures of his former tidy middle class homes, his blue collar retirement and his harmless hobbies. I pray that his demise will be soon, that these blogs will shut down and healing for those hurt. This will be his true punishment. Doug, Your points are well taken. Regarding the court appearances, many of his victims choose to attend and want to have that opportunity to view the monster. Although, I'm aware of at least one victim who will not give him even one more minute of her time and refuses to attend. And then there are some who wish him dead immediately. All are legitimate feelings. Some days I vacillate. |
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Jan 26, 2020 23:50:58 GMT -8
Just to finish my point. He had a secure home and the police authority to defend it. Notice how...on an almost daily routine he violated the sanctity and safety of not only the homes of people but the sanctity of marriages. Raping wives in their own homes while their husbands were bound and had to endure the ultimate torture a man would suffer. Being a cop was not enough. Having the authority to stop and search citizens was not enough. He, having the ultimate protection as a citizen violated everything he was sworn to protect. Now as the curtain closes on his monstrous life, his house was legally invaded by police and he had to suffer a slight humiliating experience in the County Jail. Hardly an equal retribution for the acts he committed. Even his death will have far more dignity than what he allowed for his victims. He kept his own castle neat and orderly whilst he destroyed so many other homes and lives. Not your typical serial killer by any means if you consider how long he lived a relatively normal life and was finally caught when most his age are ready to die. Prolonged court appearances are his last tool to humiliate and antagonize and control like he did to his individual victims and the community at large. My personal wish is to offer him a life sentence in general population so we can forget and move on. Fat chance of that happening though! He has the “Creep Squad “ from the Public Defenders to fight his cause. This twisted crew gleefully defend baby rapers, cutthroat killers and the worst of the worst. So now we see pictures of his former tidy middle class homes, his blue collar retirement and his harmless hobbies. I pray that his demise will be soon, that these blogs will shut down and healing for those hurt. This will be his true punishment. dougguard, you are right about the "crime" being perpetrated by Deangelo by dragging out a long trial - instead of admitting what he's done. Of course he doesn't care about that, he's a defective human being, a psychopath without the conscience most of us have that separates us from the animals. Even worse than an animal that acts simply to survive - he relishes causing pain. But I have to chime in support with griswoldee on the right to trial defense (not that you don't either - as rgnbold has already written). I believe the Bill of Rights is a sacred document, which Americans can be proud of - because we stand for something important that has guided a large part of the world into the modern age: the sanctity of human rights. We can't lose that. That said, here's a related question: we know if Deangelo wants to plead guilty, his public defenders have no choice but to defend him as such. What if Deangelo says to his PD lawyers, I want to drag this thing out as long as possible, no matter what the verdict is - do those lawyers have no choice but to steer the defense in that direction? How much say does he have in their decisions on how to run the defense strategy? |
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Post by dougguard on Jan 27, 2020 2:03:24 GMT -8
Dear members! I work Criminal Defense right here in Downtown Sacramento. I have the long hours, high blood pressure and low pay to show for it. I mostly work on pre-trial motions from
Search and seizure, motions to dismiss, demurrers, reductions and countless other issues. Some of the lawyers I work for have been practicing for 40 or even 50 years. This includes former Deputy District Attorneys.
I take my work very seriously and operate from the standpoint to attack the states case from every and any weak point as possible. Yes! Every criminal defendant is entitled to the best representation as possible. My comments about his legal counsel is based on the well deserved reputation of the Sacramento Public Defenders Officer.
I have assisted several Criminal Defense Attorneys in winning dismissals based on Constitutional grounds. I consider the U.S. Constitution second only to the Magna Carta or the Bible as influencing modern man. However, as a private citizen, one with particular knowledge of his crimes, his victims and those officials involved, I State my opinions based on facts I know are significant.
JJD needs the best defense possible and as an evil person I know him to be, the law would recognize a Multi-Personality Disorder as a defense. Demonic possession is not a defense but forms of MPD are. I opt for the former. His statement to the cops...” I got rid of that guy a long time ago” is significant.
Some people are just evil and the very best of Constitutional protections will usually fall short when that evil is so repugnant to a court and/or a jury.
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Post by johnnyhands1 on Jan 27, 2020 3:04:54 GMT -8
Do you think he'd ever be able to convince a jury that his multi-personality disorder was such that it would auto-switch off when he was at work at Auburn PD, and auto-magically switch back on when he was not on the clock - committing EAR crimes? Since he has no record of evil on the job (other than some minor police-training pecadillos as mentioned by Chief Willick), that might be a tough sell to a jury. Maybe the recently released JJD police reports will show he *was* committing EAR crimes on the clock, so the line wasn't so cut and dry - and end up *helping* in the MPD defense!
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Post by griswoldeerie on Jan 27, 2020 5:57:16 GMT -8
The Constitution offers fair trials to all Americans. Sure he's bad and you can discard him as a person but dont discard our rights. The defenders are doing their jobs and going through the motions. You should be commending them for taking such a difficult client. Put yourself in Oscar Clifton's shoes, for example. JJD was the dirtiest cop out there abusing his authority, using the tools he learned and used as a cop, and was ruining people’s lives and then retiring to his nice house just to do it all again. I believe that’s what Doug was trying to convey here but he’s a grown man and will clarify does himself. I don’t think the folks here want JJD to NOT have a fair/just trial - they want exactly that - but we want it to be quicker and this is where the “system” is failing. Two years to set prelim? Yawn. I'm sure we all want fair trials but I was addressing the "creep squad" and "twisted crew" stuff. I'm sure you didnt overlook those comments. Right? Bureaucrats are the enemy of efficiency. |
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