jenn
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Post by jenn on May 10, 2020 18:32:23 GMT -8
An interesting quote on page 51 from I'll Be Gone In The Dark" "SACRAMENTO 1976 - 1977 IN THE SEVENTIES, KIDS WHO DIDN'T LIVE HERE CALLED IT RANCHO CAMBODIA."
Truer than true. It was still that way well into the 1980s. Nick, do you recall this?
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Post by steelbike on May 11, 2020 3:28:13 GMT -8
I do but I thought that that was more in the eighties after the “boat people” refugees from S.E. Asia had settled in.
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Post by nick on May 13, 2020 10:17:12 GMT -8
I do remember the area on the other side of the railroad tracks known as the White Rock area was a place many of the so-called boat people lived. There were also pretty heavy racial tensions especially between teens in the early 1980's which actually included large scale group fights amongst Cambodian and Vietnamese and whites and blacks.
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Post by nick on May 13, 2020 10:20:02 GMT -8
There were many refugees from Vietnam that did locate in Rancho around 1975-1977 due to the ending of the Vietnam conflict but they were not really the "Boat People" it was the 1980's when that type came about.
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Post by steelbike on May 13, 2020 10:34:52 GMT -8
I was in the fifth grade in 1978/79 and a few kids arrived in my school from Laos. I enjoyed meeting them very much and enjoyed learning about their culture. The “boat people” situation definitely took place initially during’78-‘79. The “Rancho Cambodia” moniker definitely did not come about until well into the eighties. I noticed the mistake when I read IBGITD but hadn’t taken too much issue with it — the author was from Illinois.
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Post by steelbike on May 13, 2020 10:48:47 GMT -8
I do remember the area on the other side of the railroad tracks known as the White Rock area was a place many of the so-called boat people lived. There were also pretty heavy racial tensions especially between teens in the early 1980's which actually included large scale group fights amongst Cambodian and Vietnamese and whites and blacks. Boy, I remember that! I remember a rumble at Mitchell jr HS that was white vs black involving older kids from White Rock that had been brought in and burn-outs from Kinney continuation school.
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Post by dougguard on May 14, 2020 13:39:25 GMT -8
Definitely an 80’s issue with the gangs living in the low rent apartment complexes in the west end of Rancho. The writer should have spent more time in the area researching time and date issues. To be fair though, Rancho started declining when Aerojet cut its staff by two thirds in the early 70’s. What made the refugees so dangerous was they did not look dangerous. Like Fidel Castro dumping his insane psychotic criminals on American shores, the Pol Pot regime did the same. Really! No more than a couple of dozen heavily armed teen aged boys caught everybody by surprise. They are still around but passing themselves as “Vietnamese “ instead. Another embarrassing unintended consequence of the Carter Administration refugee policy.
However, the first arrivals did in fact start to arrive in the late seventies. Their hatchlings did not start to weaponize until the mid to late 80’s.
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Post by steelbike on May 14, 2020 16:37:26 GMT -8
Definitely an 80’s issue with the gangs living in the low rent apartment complexes in the west end of Rancho. The writer should have spent more time in the area researching time and date issues. To be fair though, Rancho started declining when Aerojet cut its staff by two thirds in the early 70’s. What made the refugees so dangerous was they did not look dangerous. Like Fidel Castro dumping his insane psychotic criminals on American shores, the Pol Pot regime did the same. Really! No more than a couple of dozen heavily armed teen aged boys caught everybody by surprise. They are still around but passing themselves as “Vietnamese “ instead. Another embarrassing unintended consequence of the Carter Administration refugee policy. However, the first arrivals did in fact start to arrive in the late seventies. Their hatchlings did not start to weaponize until the mid to late 80’s. That’s some nasty shit bro. To be fair, I moved out of sac town by ‘85 so maybe I missed something, but my perception was that they were hard working people who wanted to study and do well. If many of them became gangsters how do their rates of such compare to the other racial demographics in the area at the time? Honestly, I’m curious and again, I wasn’t there. By the way, my dad got a medal for his participation in the ‘Good Guys!’ incident.
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Post by steelbike on May 14, 2020 16:42:34 GMT -8
Anyway, Cordova was not called “Rancho Cambodia” during the time of the EAR crimes.
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Post by steelbike on May 14, 2020 16:55:31 GMT -8
I suppose we’re saying the same thing—sorta. One Love.
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jenn
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Post by jenn on May 14, 2020 19:37:25 GMT -8
Steelbike, I remember the Good Guys incident. I can still picture those people all tied together. That was really a tough one.
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Post by steelbike on May 15, 2020 4:19:42 GMT -8
Yeah, I guess it had been. My Dad ended up talking to a therapist afterwards.
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Post by dougguard on May 15, 2020 11:17:57 GMT -8
Like I said. The moniker of “Rancho Cambodia” was confined to a very small group of criminal refugees who were allowed to leave their country for the specific purpose of causing havoc wherever they settled. I could not make my point any clearer!
THE GOOD GUYS HOSTAGE INCIDENT
If your father was Sheriffs Sargent Bob Lyons, then he was a hero. Stripping down to his underwear on the demands of the terrorist in order to release a toddler, was very heroic and bravery at its best.
The rest of the incident is left to 20/20 hindsight where good intentions had unintended results. I only post this to exemplify the distinction. Sargent Lyons by far was the bravest man there. He was not allowed to participate in the rescue plan. He ran for Sheriff and lost. Sacramento would have been better if he had won.
On the other hand, Sargent John McGinnis, then the Public Information Officer and a “Rising Star” was specifically involved in the ill fated rescue plan and he was ultimately promoted all the way to UnderSheriff and was elected Sheriff for one term. See my point?
I am hoping this site will not turn into a “Hatefest” from those connected with law enforcement or the Sacramento County Sheriffs Department. There is a very serious public perception of distrust with your community and your culture exemplified by your visceral reactionary diatribe with those you disagree with. This only confirms the unearned or earned negative stereotypes so prevalent.
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Post by steelbike on May 15, 2020 12:10:21 GMT -8
Like I said. The moniker of “Rancho Cambodia” was confined to a very small group of criminal refugees who were allowed to leave their country for the specific purpose of causing havoc wherever they settled. I could not make my point any clearer! THE GOOD GUYS HOSTAGE INCIDENT If your father was Sheriffs Sargent Bob Lyons, then he was a hero. Stripping down to his underwear on the demands of the terrorist in order to release a toddler, was very heroic and bravery at its best. The rest of the incident is left to 20/20 hindsight where good intentions had unintended results. I only post this to exemplify the distinction. Sargent Lyons by far was the bravest man there. He was not allowed to participate in the rescue plan. He ran for Sheriff and lost. Sacramento would have been better if he had won. On the other hand, Sargent John McGinnis, then the Public Information Officer and a “Rising Star” was specifically involved in the ill fated rescue plan and he was ultimately promoted all the way to UnderSheriff and was elected Sheriff for one term. See my point? I am hoping this site will not turn into a “Hatefest” from those connected with law enforcement or the Sacramento County Sheriffs Department. There is a very serious public perception of distrust with your community and your culture exemplified by your visceral reactionary diatribe with those you disagree with. This only confirms the unearned or earned negative stereotypes so prevalent. I don’t want anything to do with a “hatefest” either. I honestly don’t see much of a “visceral reactionary diatribe” on my part. I’m not speaking for my community—I’m just a family member of retired SSD. Thinking about it, I may be mistaken about my Dad getting a medal from that but I think he did (he received two silver stars for other things). It’s funny, on the other site I’ve been called a “vile ANTIFA” and now, here I’m called “reactionary”. I’m neither. I just spoke with my father and he confirmed that he received a bronze star. He was the one who first reached the hostage outside to door when the shooting started. He cut her free and escorted her away.
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jenn
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Post by jenn on May 17, 2020 15:37:52 GMT -8
I believe that young girl miscarried after that but at least she was alive.
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