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Post by murderinc on Oct 19, 2020 11:03:29 GMT -8
one of them is a "copycat" of the other one. EBR was "identified" suspect leaves town and the rapes continue. because the "suspect" couldnt be responsible rather than realizing the conclusion about his guilt was inaccurate the new assaults are now deemed the work of a "copycat" who had access to the police files, the EMR. pretty obvious what this all means I don't think Shelby had the right guy and he let it effect his judgement because he did not like that guy at all. exactly but the whole narrative falls apart when you realize the theory is false. EMR is only a different second serial rapist if Shelby's theory that the EBR was identified, left town and the reserve deputy who was "obsessed" with reading the EBR files was a copycat rapist. Shelby was wrong about his EBR POI, hence there was no actual copycat rapist of the EBR. Therefore EBR and EMR are the same offender |
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Post by nick on Oct 19, 2020 11:28:38 GMT -8
I don't think Shelby had the right guy and he let it effect his judgement because he did not like that guy at all. exactly but the whole narrative falls apart when you realize the theory is false. EMR is only a different second serial rapist if Shelby's theory that the EBR was identified, left town and the reserve deputy who was "obsessed" with reading the EBR files was a copycat rapist. Shelby was wrong about his EBR POI, hence there was no actual copycat rapist of the EBR. Therefore EBR and EMR are the same offender That I can see and it makes sense. |
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Post by nick on Oct 19, 2020 14:08:54 GMT -8
I think Shelby muddied the water with his book comments and made it sound as if that particular person was the suspect and he got away and that is it. Was there any evidence? what was it? Why was this guy picked? Based on what? I'm not even sure Shelby was in investigations during the EBR series and I don't know if he would have been working sex assault if he was so who was the primary investigator on this case? That is what I need to find out.
If there was a task force working EBR as they did in EAR case I can't find evidence of it. That would mean some of the sexual assaults would have been investigated by North Division and some South Division.
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Post by nick on Oct 21, 2020 13:05:17 GMT -8
You could be right but I need to see it for myself. I do believe one of them is EAR. one of them is a "copycat" of the other one. EBR was "identified" suspect leaves town and the rapes continue. because the "suspect" couldnt be responsible rather than realizing the conclusion about his guilt was inaccurate the new assaults are now deemed the work of a "copycat" who had access to the police files, the EMR. pretty obvious what this all means On your Kathy Rogers page in regards to the eye glasses lost near Shirland Tract interesting enough a high ranking Placer Sheriff Officer now retired lived in that exact area. In fact he was the lead investigator or supervisor on nearly all of the murders and major incidents and in Placer County back then. |
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Post by murderinc on Oct 21, 2020 13:35:19 GMT -8
one of them is a "copycat" of the other one. EBR was "identified" suspect leaves town and the rapes continue. because the "suspect" couldnt be responsible rather than realizing the conclusion about his guilt was inaccurate the new assaults are now deemed the work of a "copycat" who had access to the police files, the EMR. pretty obvious what this all means On your Kathy Rogers page in regards to the eye glasses lost near Shirland Tract interesting enough a high ranking Placer Sheriff Officer now retired lived in that exact area. In fact he was the lead investigator or supervisor on nearly all of the murders and major incidents and in Placer County back then. that's right by JJD's mom's Auburn ranch |
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Post by nick on Oct 21, 2020 15:06:45 GMT -8
On your Kathy Rogers page in regards to the eye glasses lost near Shirland Tract interesting enough a high ranking Placer Sheriff Officer now retired lived in that exact area. In fact he was the lead investigator or supervisor on nearly all of the murders and major incidents and in Placer County back then. that's right by JJD's mom's Auburn ranch That is interesting I am sure they knew there was a cop living there. People out in the country seem to know things about neighbors and the fact I am sure the cop had a take home car be it marked or unmarked JJD would know it. |
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Post by nick on Oct 21, 2020 15:07:42 GMT -8
This cop I am talking about had been on TV back then even all the way up to his retirement.
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Post by nick on Oct 21, 2020 16:39:54 GMT -8
EBR 5'9 in his 30's with a stocky build and a small belly (some call it Paunch), unlike EAR he really liked apartments to attack and stalk victims. There is more recently located evidence to suggest Sac-EBR did, in fact, prowl his victims prior to the assaults although nothing like EAR. The sexual assault-style MO was very different he would touch and attempt to calm his victims prior to the sexual act that only consisted of intercourse. EBR had a prior criminal history as a thief related to burglaries one can concluded or if you believe Shelby then he did have a conviction.
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Post by nick on Oct 21, 2020 16:48:16 GMT -8
There is a very distinctive difference in MO from EAR to EBR and it is closer to the Norcal Rapist technique. EBR would attempt to calm the victim prior to the actual assault and it only included intercourse (I don't like using that word when it is a sexual assault because it leads to one believing it was consensual) without any of the other things EAR subjected victims to endure.
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Post by nick on Oct 21, 2020 17:50:09 GMT -8
Using what I will call the Shelby model the suspect he wrote about in HAP and from piecing it together from outside sources I believe this is what occurred. I am going to include the source in parentheses after the fact or instance (HAP) or (Nick) I have the same source I always use if it is before my time a retired Deputy I call old Patrol guy. A neighbor (Reporting Party) called when they saw a van parked in an area near a previous failed sexual assault had occurred and had also seen the man driving the van even though it was dark (HAP). The Deputies dispatched to the call included Patrol Deputy Ron Smith (HAP) and two others they parked near the area and walked in finding the suspect still on scene. They searched the van and identified the suspect but did not make an arrest (Nick) We can only assume nothing was found. The reporting party was contacted by Deputy Smith she was shown a photo line most likely a 6 pack of similar-looking subjects taken from CDL California Driver's License pictures and she selected the van's registered owner (HAP). But all that did was confirm he and the van were in the area and nothing more (Nick).
It is very confusing the way Shelby wrote about it in HAP and he indicated there was more circumstantial evidence collected but does not say what that would have been.
The really interesting part for me from page #126 HAP is the 40 plus rape reports that were placed on Shelby's desk. There appears to be no task force or even one particular officer assigned what Shelby says is a series with connections by MO at the very least (HAP). I do know the ADEPT team was working on those types of crimes in and around that time period but I can not confirm it at this time (working on it). The interesting part is the ADEPT Team was created to curtail the burglaries that were occurring in the eastern portion of the county but anytime the newspapers reported a rape occurred the ADEPT team was always the division the public was told to contact with information. That seems strange if the unit was tasked with stopping theft as anyone who knows me I always suspected the team was created to stop the Rancho Cat or Cordova Cat and those unsolved sexual assaults that dropped on Shelby's desk meaning the EBR.
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Post by murderinc on Oct 22, 2020 7:23:29 GMT -8
This 1972 attack always interested me. Sounds like EAR to me, motorcycle mask, handcuffs, covering victims w furniture and blankets, large revolver, stealing the car, letting more victims inside and still controlling the scene. the description says black but i'm not convinced if the rapist was wearing a motorcycle helmet, face mask and gloves. we know EAR was described as black  |
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Post by murderinc on Oct 22, 2020 8:40:13 GMT -8
what we need from the EBR/EMR case is DATES & LOCATIONS. anything else, who was investigated for what, police theories about MO, etc are all useless. We need the facts, this will show EBR/EMR was the EAR. DeAngelo attacked in clusters and sprees. He was a serial killer way before EAR ever started. We know he was a serial killer while he was a cop in Exeter murdering Jennifer Armour and Donna Richmond. We need the dates and locations to compare them to the dates of known VR crimes and to map them against the crimes in Sacramento. The EMR struck not far from where John Darby was murdered in 1972: murderincorp.wordpress.com/2020/08/06/vicki-pyrskalla/ |
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Post by murderinc on Oct 22, 2020 8:43:24 GMT -8
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Post by nick on Oct 22, 2020 12:50:00 GMT -8
I need to see if LT Frank Wallace is still alive. I found his B day on the Sac Sheriff 7-11 club so we can assume he is still with us so I will see if anybody I know can get a hold of him. He would know about EBR. |
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Post by nick on Oct 22, 2020 12:52:17 GMT -8
I just saw Ray Biondi passed I did not know that. I saw RG Smith and Wayne Ivey too I have not kept up on things at all. The passing of those guys and the knowledge they had on Sacramento crime will be missed greatly.
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