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Post by sammyt on Jan 4, 2020 9:34:37 GMT -8
If it is to be believed JJD is VR then this 1973 March burglary happened before VR started in Visalia and we know JJF was living in Exeter at that time. JJD was in fact believed to be in Rancho in this particular area prowling and entering victim's homes during the VR series. The troubling thing for me if JJD was VR why would a man that worked so hard later on in his crime series to never commit a crime very close to his actual home or work residence commit crimes so close to Exeter risking being Identified. He followed a controlled and structured pattern of studying the victims and knowing exactly who lived in the homes prior to attacking and made sure to never commit a crime where he was living. The Rancho Cat activities that occurred before and some after VR series dates make more sense than him committing crimes in a place so close to his own home. JJD being a cop in Exeter would surely have known that Visalia PD was conducting surveillance and was waiting to catch VR. JJD was so careful at the other crimes he was able to avoid all attempts at LE to surveil and or catch him by laying in wait. There are a few cases where LE was inside of homes waiting for him to come back after he had done his prowling and setting up of the home to ease his entry into the victim's homes so why would he fall for the VR trap set my McGowan? I don't think JJD was quite as structured as you suggest. It's obvious that he did a lot of recon and stalking, but some of his EAR crimes seem to have involved misidentified victims. BTK was a very experienced serial offender when he decided to kill his neighbour who lived four doors along. All his other victims were unconnected to Rader and lived a fair distance away. Perhaps there were certain victims the likes of BTK and JJD couldn't resist, despite the additional risks. |
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Post by sammyt on Jan 4, 2020 9:49:45 GMT -8
There are so many questions on this attack. The fact the victim had a brother that lived in the family home was another of the unusual things. JJD would have known this was the same family from 1973 and had he been waiting all this time for the victim to mature? Why the clothesline JJD had to have known the rest of the family was gone even the neighbor kid living behind them knew they were all gone except the victim. JJD takes the victim outside on the patio after preparing that elaborate doorknob set up? He seemed to have also planned on taking her on the patio all along since items were moved to accommodate the sexual assault. He seemed to be unprepared for this attack yet he had waiting all this time to attack a victim that was most certainly a special one for him. Or did he have an accomplice or look-out for this 'special' crime? Someone with him who was waiting around and killing time by making the doorknob web. Was he making the crime look unprepared, when really he actually took extra preparations this time? I'm thinking of BTK again and the close neighbour woman he killed in his own street. This murder wasn't even linked to BTK until he sent a copy of the woman's driving licence to the authorities. Do these offenders take extra preparations in their 'ideal victim' or 'close to home' crimes? Pure speculation, but perhaps JJD took an accomplice with to 'show off' the sort of beautiful victim he was targeting (he was a sexualised offender if he made the phone calls boasting about f****** again tonight) but then got cold feet and took his victim to the patio, after deciding he didn't actually want his accomplice to see his small member or weird rituals. |
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Post by nick on Jan 4, 2020 18:40:57 GMT -8
There are so many questions on this attack. The fact the victim had a brother that lived in the family home was another of the unusual things. JJD would have known this was the same family from 1973 and had he been waiting all this time for the victim to mature? Why the clothesline JJD had to have known the rest of the family was gone even the neighbor kid living behind them knew they were all gone except the victim. JJD takes the victim outside on the patio after preparing that elaborate doorknob set up? He seemed to have also planned on taking her on the patio all along since items were moved to accommodate the sexual assault. He seemed to be unprepared for this attack yet he had waiting all this time to attack a victim that was most certainly a special one for him. Or did he have an accomplice or look-out for this 'special' crime? Someone with him who was waiting around and killing time by making the doorknob web. Was he making the crime look unprepared, when really he actually took extra preparations this time? I'm thinking of BTK again and the close neighbour woman he killed in his own street. This murder wasn't even linked to BTK until he sent a copy of the woman's driving licence to the authorities. Do these offenders take extra preparations in their 'ideal victim' or 'close to home' crimes? Pure speculation, but perhaps JJD took an accomplice with to 'show off' the sort of beautiful victim he was targeting (he was a sexualised offender if he made the phone calls boasting about f****** again tonight) but then got cold feet and took his victim to the patio, after deciding he didn't actually want his accomplice to see his small member or weird rituals. I think with his LE experience from Exeter PD where his job was to look at burglary reports and identify MO and attempt to see if individual crimes were a series or not was great preparation for his campaign of misdirection toward LE in the EAR series. Knowing who he is now brings up more questions for me on some of his mo than it answers. There is some evidence that could lead to an accomplice in a few attacks reported directly by the victims and I would not completely dismiss it at all. I still see JJD being a master at misdirection because he knew how a LE investigation is conducted and how investigators think. |
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Post by k862 on Jan 5, 2020 18:26:45 GMT -8
I agee, many answers still needed. I have heard that they are still looking at possible collaboration but can’t know that with any certainty. Nick, do you have any idea if the investigation is focused on other possible accomplices or solely on Deangelo at this point?
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Post by nick on Jan 6, 2020 19:29:51 GMT -8
The amount of misinformation that can be found in this case is unbelievable and then there are things that are incorrect that become stated as facts and if the majority thinks it's true it was must true and that is it without further discussion. There are many incorrect facts that have become true because some LE source said it to be true well I can tell you this LE is wrong more than they should be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 2:29:41 GMT -8
The amount of misinformation that can be found in this case is unbelievable and then there are things that are incorrect that become stated as facts Glad you're here to keep us straight on it all, Nick.  |
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Post by nick on Jan 7, 2020 18:36:43 GMT -8
The amount of misinformation that can be found in this case is unbelievable and then there are things that are incorrect that become stated as facts Glad you're here to keep us straight on it all, Nick. Well I don't have it all just the stuff that interests me and if I have access to it. Thank you. |
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Post by k862 on Jan 8, 2020 12:09:27 GMT -8
I posted this on the 'other' board. It fits with the recent discussion regarding the possibility of an accomplice. At the time of Deangelo's arrest Paul Holes said they initially did not think he was the guy simply because he didn't think it possible that he could have been the EAR while serving as a full-time cop in Auburn and even though 'investigators always believed the East Area Rapist could have been a police officer because he had evaded authorities for so long'. I'm with Holes. I'm still with Holes on that one. www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article210003114.html |
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Post by murderinc on Jan 8, 2020 12:18:45 GMT -8
I posted this on the 'other' board. It fits with the recent discussion regarding the possibility of an accomplice. At the time of Deangelo's arrest Paul Holes said they initially did not think he was the guy simply because he didn't think it possible that he could have been the EAR while serving as a full-time cop in Auburn and even though 'investigators always believed the East Area Rapist could have been a police officer because he had evaded authorities for so long'. I'm with Holes. I'm still with Holes on that one. www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article210003114.html
Holes is a ham-brained idiot.
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Post by k862 on Jan 8, 2020 12:36:11 GMT -8
I lack the background to either agree or disagree with that so I have to just accept the investigators at face value. Now if I were to discuss his skill as a laboratory scientist perhaps I could sound smart there, except for the fact I know little to nothing about him in that capacity other than we were both huge Quincy fans in our youth, I do know that much.
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Post by jenn on Jan 8, 2020 18:10:08 GMT -8
I posted this on the 'other' board. It fits with the recent discussion regarding the possibility of an accomplice. At the time of Deangelo's arrest Paul Holes said they initially did not think he was the guy simply because he didn't think it possible that he could have been the EAR while serving as a full-time cop in Auburn and even though 'investigators always believed the East Area Rapist could have been a police officer because he had evaded authorities for so long'. I'm with Holes. I'm still with Holes on that one. www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article210003114.html
Holes is a ham-brained idiot.
While Paul was not correct about EAR being the Visalia Ransacker, he still did A LOT OF GOOD!!!! Had it not been for Paul sticking his nose into those files when he was told not to do it, NOTHING would have EVER happened in this case! Paul is also responsible for following up with other departments and linking the cases, even when it took several years for his department to catch up with the latest equipment! I drink the Paul Holes koolaid and I'm probably going to whip up another batch of it right now. I won't offer you any, but I will drink......... with a smile on my face knowing that jjd is suffering in jail, largely due to the efforts of Paul Holes. Paul has been very honest and forthcoming regarding his opinion about the connection of EAR and Visalia. No one is perfect. None of us are. |
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Post by jenn on Jan 8, 2020 18:14:12 GMT -8
Would anyone else like a drink of the Paul Holes Koolaid? It's yummy! Sometimes Sandia (agent 99) drinks it with me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 4:13:43 GMT -8
Would anyone else like a drink of the Paul Holes Koolaid? It's yummy! Sometimes Sandia (agent 99) drinks it with me. Ha, I wonder what happened to Mr. Avocado and the Paul Holes calendars? |
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Post by jenn on Jan 9, 2020 6:45:51 GMT -8
"Mr. Avocado and the Paul Holes calendars" Goldrusher, what is that to which you are referring?
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Post by sammyt on Jan 9, 2020 7:26:28 GMT -8
I posted this on the 'other' board. It fits with the recent discussion regarding the possibility of an accomplice. At the time of Deangelo's arrest Paul Holes said they initially did not think he was the guy simply because he didn't think it possible that he could have been the EAR while serving as a full-time cop in Auburn and even though 'investigators always believed the East Area Rapist could have been a police officer because he had evaded authorities for so long'. I'm with Holes. I'm still with Holes on that one. www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article210003114.html
Holes is a ham-brained idiot.
I wouldn't go that far, but (familial DNA stuff aside) I wasn't particularly impressed with Holes as an investigator either. He made a big mistake in not acknowledging the VR/EAR link. |
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